Comments on: McCain, Guns, Conservatives, and that fraud the Gun Owners of America

By: DoubleTapper

DoubleTapper — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:11:56 +0000

Maybe Teddy Kennedy will take Hillary, Obama and McCain for a ride in his car.

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By: Gregory Morris

Gregory Morris — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:19:26 +0000

Rivrdog: It isn’t their absolutism that bothers me. They give Mccain an F-, which they also give to Boxer, Feinstein, Kerry, Kennedy, Clinton, Schumer, etc. I simply can’t understand how he could possibly be as bad as that lot. He may be a low “B” or a “C”, but an F- blatantly shows that their ratings have no objectivity what-so-ever.

If they are going to be “absolute” about the gun issue, then they need to have two ratings: A+ and F-. If there is an in-between, then they need to have a rubric for their scores.

By: Alcibiades McZombie

Alcibiades McZombie — Sat, 09 Feb 2008 22:01:15 +0000

I think there’s a difference between legitimate criticism and FUD (fear, uncertainty, and doubt). FUD inherently involves exaggerating a situation for gain, and that’s exactly what the GOA does.

By: Rivrdog

Rivrdog — Sat, 09 Feb 2008 05:46:12 +0000

Yes, the GOA is VERY pointy-headed about ANY measure that limits commerce in or ownership of guns, and yes, they stretch those points. Hmmm…who else on the right might be as pointy-headed? ProLife? Defense of Family Amendment? Defense of Marriage? I could go on, but you get the idea. Why is OK to diss the GOA for being absolutist but it’s not OK to diss other righty groups for their absolutism?

On to fund-raising. I would rather have the GOA bombarding me with “alerts” than have the NRA sit on their duffs for a week and let State Legislation get a week’s head start (happened in OR last legislative term with Ginny Burdick’s Gun Range Control Bill). Also, as to fund-raising, I would MUCH rather have real R2KBA material filling my mailbox than the NRA’s insurance hucksterism, or reselling of gun-related gear for inflated prices.

Then there’s this: why does McCain feel he needs to yield ground on R2KBA issues at all? For that matter, why does the NRA feel that way? I don’t buy the “logic” that says if we yield a little here and there we prevent a bigger, badder fight elsewhere. Recent R2KBA yielding after Virginia Tech really helped on micro-serialization, didn’t it? I don’t want to yield an inch on the Constitutional Rights we have now, and I don’t really think you do, either.

‘Nother thing, don’t put all your eggs in the “instant check” basket. Remember just before Xmas when the NICS took a few days off (alleged computer tune-up)? Right in the busy holiday gift-buying season? Here in OR, the Oregon State Police tells gun shows that they shouldn’t bother to try to do any “instant” checks before 9am, even if stores are open at 8am.

Then ask Red’s Trading Post how they like yielding to the harassing “inspections” of the BATFE? While you’re at it, ask the BATFE why, despite increasing gun business, FFL totals have been cut in half in recent years.

Death of a thousand cuts is still death for the R2KBA.

By: DirtCrashr

DirtCrashr — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 20:33:44 +0000

It’s enough for me to eliminate my GOA bookmarks.

By: LibertyNews

LibertyNews — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 15:41:05 +0000

Good research. I’m going to have to look into this, since I’m a GOA Life member. BUT this doesn’t exonerate McCain for his anti-gun and anti-free speech activities.

eg. Lieberman-McCain gun show bill http://www.nraila.org//Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=85

and of course the famous McCain-Feingold, that alone is reason not to vote for him.

By: Rob K

Rob K — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 15:29:49 +0000

GOA depends on a certain level of gun control existing for their own existence. They have little incentive to really do anything about ending it, because if gun control went away, they would cease to exist. NRA on the other hand, does not exist just to fight gun control. If all gun control went away, the NRA could then get on with their core mission – educating and training shooters.

So who has incentive to actually get anything done?

By: Alcibiades McZombie

Alcibiades McZombie — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 01:58:21 +0000

I knew they were exaggerating somehow…