More Vietnam Vets

Filed under:Uncategorized — posted by Countertop on May 31, 2004 @ 6:25 pm

Glen Reynolds blogged a bit today (with great photos about the annual Rolling Thunder parade in D.C. and the Washington Post article on the event.

I didn’t mention it in my previous post, but as we were driving down, just south of Harrisonburg, we passed a long procesion of motorcycles heading north for th event. I’d estimate that for at least 10 minutes a trail of bikers was driving north. It was a pretty damn impressive sight to see.

At Dinner the talk once again turned to the stickers my father in law printed up with 4 of his buddies in the 69th Armor Division Association:. He was saying that the other day (while still in D.C. and before heading down here) that he was stopped at a traffic light when a two seater Audi sportscar pulled up. The guy in the passanger seat was yelling at him and pointing to his sticker, and making a big deal out of it. His name - Wesley Clarke.

As the Col. said tonite - what a feckless wimp.

Always has been. Always will be.

More Vietnam Vets

Filed under:Uncategorized — posted by Countertop on @ 6:25 pm

Glen Reynolds blogged a bit today (with great photos about the annual Rolling Thunder parade in D.C. and the Washington Post article on the event.

I didn’t mention it in my previous post, but as we were driving down, just south of Harrisonburg, we passed a long procesion of motorcycles heading north for th event. I’d estimate that for at least 10 minutes a trail of bikers was driving north. It was a pretty damn impressive sight to see.

At Dinner the talk once again turned to the stickers my father in law printed up with 4 of his buddies in the 69th Armor Division Association:. He was saying that the other day (while still in D.C. and before heading down here) that he was stopped at a traffic light when a two seater Audi sportscar pulled up. The guy in the passanger seat was yelling at him and pointing to his sticker, and making a big deal out of it. His name - Wesley Clarke.

As the Col. said tonite - what a feckless wimp.

Always has been. Always will be.

The Trip South, OrWhatever Happened To Knoxville and Guns, BBQ, and Sweet Tea

Filed under:Uncategorized — posted by Countertop on May 29, 2004 @ 8:53 pm

Had a nice leisurely ride down to Chattanooga. We left D.C. a little late and got stuck in some horrid traffic on I-66 west and it ended up taking us 2 1/2 hours to reach Manassas. Yuck! Anyway, once the traffic cleared it was smooth sailing and we spent the night in Roanoke - where we enjoyed some great ice cream at Brewsters before driving into town.

I had never been to Roanoke before - only stopping along I-81 to get gas or stay in a hotel. As we drove down into the city, along a seven mile long strip of fast food joints, pawn shops, and car dealerships, we were not expecting much (and my wife kept saying “I don’t think there is a downtown, this is probably it”). Well, we found the downtown - coming upon a gorgeous Hotel Roanoke in all its Tudor splendor. Just beyond, on a hilltop overlooking the city was a stunning Cathedral and as we continued into the historic downtown, we were greeted by a most welcome sight


(Check Out This Great Page of Historic Signs)

Now, let me tell you, any place that celebrates Dr. Pepper is fine by me, and it didn’t take more than this sign to convince me that Roanoke is just fine by me. Of course, the happening historic downtown, where we saw no less than 7 bars hosting live bands - from punk to bluegrass to folk to straight ahead rock and roll - was really bustling at 11:00 pm and has a looking at the calendar to find time to truly explore this fine and deserving railroad town.

After waking up and leisurely packing the car we continued heading south, hitting little traffic and arriving in Knoxville around noon. Its been a couple of years since I last stopped off in Knoxville, and to be fair, its been 12 years since I lived there (boy, does time fly), but all I’ve got to ask is - What Has happened to Knoxvegas????

We got off on Summit Avenue and drove through the Old City which looked pretty run down compared to its re-vamped splendor 12 years ago. Followed it up to Gay Street - which hasn’t looked great in decades but looked especially quite on a Saturday afternoon and drove around the TVA buildings and market square. It was nice to see Market Square full of people and I always liked the street art in downtown Knoxville - it was still there. Its also nice to see they have opened the bridge over the Worlds Fair Park to vehicular traffic again. We took Eleventh Street down to Cumberland and drove up to the Krystals where I was greeted by a shocking sight - the Strip no longer exists. The Library is gone . . . the Last Lap is gone (The Last Lap - the sleaziest bar ever, I thought that place would survive Armageddon, what with its trough like urinal and moat of puke) - both have been replaced by new, giant, chain drug stores - at least the Tap Room was still around. Beyond those two disappearances, it seemed 75 percent of the storefronts on the Strip had closed down.

Is this a temporary thing?

Is Knoxville really hurting that bad??

Is this what happens when a Campus goes dry???

Enquiring minds want to know.

After stopping off at the McMillans and picking up some of the requisite UT wear for the son (and a golf shirt for me) we continued on our merry way south without any sign of the Instapundit himself.

Our trip was delayed once more with a brief stop in Sweetwater at the Western Wear store where we proceeded to purchase the son his first pair of cowboy boots. Look for pictures real soon.

Of course, it was a bit warm and my wife decided to leave the car running with the air conditioning on - locking the door and not realizing that the remote door locks don’t work with the car running. With our only set of keys in the ignition, she had to go ask the nice folks at the Sweetwater Western Wear store to call a cop (who, surprisingly was a women, but not surprisingly was packing a Glock - as was I) for us to open our doors - I’ve never been so embarrassed in my life, and she isn’t going to forget about this one for a long long long time.

Once that was set, it was only a short ride further to our home and after unpacking, taking a short break to shoot a couple of old rotten apples and some golf balls with the 10/22, we hopped in the car and headed out to Armstrong’s BBQ in Summerville, GA. (A review is located here (they were sold out of the Stew by the time we arrived tonite as well) and another great one is located here.) Some people, my wife included, think that the Fresh Aire BBQ in Jackson, GA is the best in the world - and its dam fine BBQ - but I just love Armstrong’s. Were going to Jackson on Tuesday and I’ll post a report then, but tonite I had the double minced pork plate with Armstrong’s famous vinegar based spicy tomato sauce, slaw, beans, some sliced pickles and Sweet Tea.

Folks, it doesn’t get much better than that - guns, BBQ and Sweet Tea.

Mmm Mmm Mmm

The Trip South, OrWhatever Happened To Knoxville and Guns, BBQ, and Sweet Tea

Filed under:Uncategorized — posted by Countertop on @ 8:53 pm

Had a nice leisurely ride down to Chattanooga. We left D.C. a little late and got stuck in some horrid traffic on I-66 west and it ended up taking us 2 1/2 hours to reach Manassas. Yuck! Anyway, once the traffic cleared it was smooth sailing and we spent the night in Roanoke - where we enjoyed some great ice cream at Brewsters before driving into town.

I had never been to Roanoke before - only stopping along I-81 to get gas or stay in a hotel. As we drove down into the city, along a seven mile long strip of fast food joints, pawn shops, and car dealerships, we were not expecting much (and my wife kept saying “I don’t think there is a downtown, this is probably it”). Well, we found the downtown - coming upon a gorgeous Hotel Roanoke in all its Tudor splendor. Just beyond, on a hilltop overlooking the city was a stunning Cathedral and as we continued into the historic downtown, we were greeted by a most welcome sight


(Check Out This Great Page of Historic Signs)

Now, let me tell you, any place that celebrates Dr. Pepper is fine by me, and it didn’t take more than this sign to convince me that Roanoke is just fine by me. Of course, the happening historic downtown, where we saw no less than 7 bars hosting live bands - from punk to bluegrass to folk to straight ahead rock and roll - was really bustling at 11:00 pm and has a looking at the calendar to find time to truly explore this fine and deserving railroad town.

After waking up and leisurely packing the car we continued heading south, hitting little traffic and arriving in Knoxville around noon. Its been a couple of years since I last stopped off in Knoxville, and to be fair, its been 12 years since I lived there (boy, does time fly), but all I’ve got to ask is - What Has happened to Knoxvegas????

We got off on Summit Avenue and drove through the Old City which looked pretty run down compared to its re-vamped splendor 12 years ago. Followed it up to Gay Street - which hasn’t looked great in decades but looked especially quite on a Saturday afternoon and drove around the TVA buildings and market square. It was nice to see Market Square full of people and I always liked the street art in downtown Knoxville - it was still there. Its also nice to see they have opened the bridge over the Worlds Fair Park to vehicular traffic again. We took Eleventh Street down to Cumberland and drove up to the Krystals where I was greeted by a shocking sight - the Strip no longer exists. The Library is gone . . . the Last Lap is gone (The Last Lap - the sleaziest bar ever, I thought that place would survive Armageddon, what with its trough like urinal and moat of puke) - both have been replaced by new, giant, chain drug stores - at least the Tap Room was still around. Beyond those two disappearances, it seemed 75 percent of the storefronts on the Strip had closed down.

Is this a temporary thing?

Is Knoxville really hurting that bad??

Is this what happens when a Campus goes dry???

Enquiring minds want to know.

After stopping off at the McMillans and picking up some of the requisite UT wear for the son (and a golf shirt for me) we continued on our merry way south without any sign of the Instapundit himself.

Our trip was delayed once more with a brief stop in Sweetwater at the Western Wear store where we proceeded to purchase the son his first pair of cowboy boots. Look for pictures real soon.

Of course, it was a bit warm and my wife decided to leave the car running with the air conditioning on - locking the door and not realizing that the remote door locks don’t work with the car running. With our only set of keys in the ignition, she had to go ask the nice folks at the Sweetwater Western Wear store to call a cop (who, surprisingly was a women, but not surprisingly was packing a Glock - as was I) for us to open our doors - I’ve never been so embarrassed in my life, and she isn’t going to forget about this one for a long long long time.

Once that was set, it was only a short ride further to our home and after unpacking, taking a short break to shoot a couple of old rotten apples and some golf balls with the 10/22, we hopped in the car and headed out to Armstrong’s BBQ in Summerville, GA. (A review is located here (they were sold out of the Stew by the time we arrived tonite as well) and another great one is located here.) Some people, my wife included, think that the Fresh Aire BBQ in Jackson, GA is the best in the world - and its dam fine BBQ - but I just love Armstrong’s. Were going to Jackson on Tuesday and I’ll post a report then, but tonite I had the double minced pork plate with Armstrong’s famous vinegar based spicy tomato sauce, slaw, beans, some sliced pickles and Sweet Tea.

Folks, it doesn’t get much better than that - guns, BBQ and Sweet Tea.

Mmm Mmm Mmm

Has Iran declared war on the U.S.????

Filed under:Uncategorized — posted by Countertop on @ 8:52 pm

Clayton Cramer has posted a very interesting piece about Iran.

The previous day, Iranian sources had statements on the same issue. At a ceremony marking the four-year anniversary of Israel’s withdrawal from southern Lebanon, reformist MP and Secretary-General of the International Committee for the Support of the Palestinian Intifada Ali Akbar Makhatashemi-Pour called on Muslim countries to open their borders with Iraq to troops of Muslim martyrdom bombers. “We, the Muslim countries, must create a storm front against the U.S. and Israel. The half-million member organization that was created in Beirut [i.e., Hizbullah] is not sufficient. Many young Muslims are willing to carry out martyrdom operations against the American Crusaders.” [3]

The Iranian reformist paper Sharq reported that the Persian-language Ruydad website stated that Hizbullah-Iran activist Forouz Rajaii-Far said that “martyrdom operations are the only option to expel the Americans and British from Iraq,” and that a Basij activist from Elm Vasonaat University in Iran acknowledged that a group calling itself the “To Karbala Battalion” was sent on May 27, 2004 to Karbala to fight the coalition forces. [4]

[3] Sharq (Iran), May 27, 2004. http://www.sharghnewspaper.com/830307/gover.htm

[4] Sharq (Iran), May 27, 2004. http://www.sharghnewspaper.com/830307/gover.htm. The Basij is an Iranian paramilitary youth volunteer organization involved in anti-reformist operations.

Clayton doesn’t have anyone fluent in Arabic who can check out the sources. My father in law tells me that the links are actually in Farsi which he is fluent in, but that he can’t really read Arabic. I don’t have anyone here in Chattanooga who can either, though I have a neighbor who does this kind of thing for a living as a defense intelligence contrator. I’ve passed the links along to him and will post his response when I get it.

Has Iran declared war on the U.S.????

Filed under:Uncategorized — posted by Countertop on @ 8:52 pm

Clayton Cramer has posted a very interesting piece about Iran.

The previous day, Iranian sources had statements on the same issue. At a ceremony marking the four-year anniversary of Israel’s withdrawal from southern Lebanon, reformist MP and Secretary-General of the International Committee for the Support of the Palestinian Intifada Ali Akbar Makhatashemi-Pour called on Muslim countries to open their borders with Iraq to troops of Muslim martyrdom bombers. “We, the Muslim countries, must create a storm front against the U.S. and Israel. The half-million member organization that was created in Beirut [i.e., Hizbullah] is not sufficient. Many young Muslims are willing to carry out martyrdom operations against the American Crusaders.” [3]

The Iranian reformist paper Sharq reported that the Persian-language Ruydad website stated that Hizbullah-Iran activist Forouz Rajaii-Far said that “martyrdom operations are the only option to expel the Americans and British from Iraq,” and that a Basij activist from Elm Vasonaat University in Iran acknowledged that a group calling itself the “To Karbala Battalion” was sent on May 27, 2004 to Karbala to fight the coalition forces. [4]

[3] Sharq (Iran), May 27, 2004. http://www.sharghnewspaper.com/830307/gover.htm

[4] Sharq (Iran), May 27, 2004. http://www.sharghnewspaper.com/830307/gover.htm. The Basij is an Iranian paramilitary youth volunteer organization involved in anti-reformist operations.

Clayton doesn’t have anyone fluent in Arabic who can check out the sources. My father in law tells me that the links are actually in Farsi which he is fluent in, but that he can’t really read Arabic. I don’t have anyone here in Chattanooga who can either, though I have a neighbor who does this kind of thing for a living as a defense intelligence contrator. I’ve passed the links along to him and will post his response when I get it.

Light Blogging Alert

Filed under:Uncategorized — posted by Countertop on May 28, 2004 @ 9:18 am

I’m off. Its Memorial Day weekend and I am heading South for some sun, some fun, lots of BBQ, a bit of beer, slightly more bourbon, and the unleashing of enough hot lead down range to make He Who Shall Not Be Named envious.

Seriously, its not like I can’t buy ammo there - but I have thousands of rounds going on vacation with me.

Postings will be light all week, but I promise to check in now and again with an update and maybe some pretty pictures.

Light Blogging Alert

Filed under:Uncategorized — posted by Countertop on @ 9:18 am

I’m off. Its Memorial Day weekend and I am heading South for some sun, some fun, lots of BBQ, a bit of beer, slightly more bourbon, and the unleashing of enough hot lead down range to make He Who Shall Not Be Named envious.

Seriously, its not like I can’t buy ammo there - but I have thousands of rounds going on vacation with me.

Postings will be light all week, but I promise to check in now and again with an update and maybe some pretty pictures.

They Say I’m A New Yorker

Filed under:Uncategorized — posted by Countertop on @ 7:03 am

Grew up just outside of it, but the Republican Convention will be my first trip back into the City since I don’t know when. For me, the city went downhill when Gulianni was elected. Sure, I like Rudy, but I like my NYC with a healthy dollop of booze, sleeze, sex, and grime -Its NY F’ing City - not Disney Land!!!

Take the quiz and decide for yourself, “Which American City Are You?”

New York
You’re competative, you like to take it straight to the fight. You gotta have it all or die trying.

They Say I’m A New Yorker

Filed under:Uncategorized — posted by Countertop on @ 7:03 am

Grew up just outside of it, but the Republican Convention will be my first trip back into the City since I don’t know when. For me, the city went downhill when Gulianni was elected. Sure, I like Rudy, but I like my NYC with a healthy dollop of booze, sleeze, sex, and grime -Its NY F’ing City - not Disney Land!!!

Take the quiz and decide for yourself, “Which American City Are You?”

New York
You’re competative, you like to take it straight to the fight. You gotta have it all or die trying.

Personal Info

Filed under:Uncategorized — posted by Countertop on May 27, 2004 @ 1:10 pm

Sarah Hempel has another one of these great blogsphere time wasters on her site. What we really need Sarah is more sculting and art history. But, alas, I am going to jump into this abyss as well.

Spring Edition of “Getting to Know Your Friends:”

What time did you get up?

- 6:30 a.m. My son actually woke me at 5:30 a.m. and I picked him up and carried him into bed. Nothing in the worlds better than snoozing with a baby.

If you could eat lunch with one person, who would it be?

- Me wife or my son

Gold or Silver?

- Silver

What was the last film you saw at the cinema?

- Don’t remember. Lord of the Rings: Return of the King probably. We are going to go see Harry Potter when it comes out though!

What is your favorite TV show?

- I liked Frasier. I really like the Motorcycle show in discovery with the Orange County Chopper’s people. Other than that - I watch alot of movies on TMC, AMC, and fromt he rental store . . . and football in the fall.

What do you have for breakfast?

- Oatmeal. This morning it was hot, but I prefer it uncooked with whole milk

What would you hate to be stuck in a room with?

- nauseating smell

What/Who inspires you?

- my son, Al Gore (he inspires me to work harder to defeat all that is evil in the world)

What is your middle name?

- too much info - though if the oatmeal thing doesn’t give it away . . . Let me just say it was my uncles name.

Beach, city, or country?

- How about Mountains and Country.

Favorite Ice Cream?

- Pistacio

Butter, plain, or salted popcorn?

- Butter and salt

Favorite Color?

- Green

What kind of car do you drive?

- no car. I had a black 1999 Saab 9-3 SE and I sold it last night!!!!!!!!

Favorite Sandwich?

- Sarah likes Finger sandwiches at tea time - they are very good. But I like Ham and Cheese sub sandwhiches or tuna fish.

Favorite Flower?

- Hydranga (sp??)

If you could go anywhere in the world on a vacation, where would it be?

- New Zealand

What color is your bathroom?

- Light green

Favorite brand of clothing?

- don’t have one

Favorite place to retire?

- mountains in the country

Favorite day of the week?

- Saturday, get to spend it with my son.

What did you do for your last birthday?

- don’t remember. I think I went to dinner with my wife.

Where were you born?

- Montclaire NJ

Favorite sport to watch?

- football on TV baseball in person.

What fabric detergent do you use?

- Arm and Hammer

Coke or Pepsi?

- Dr. Pepper

Are you a morning person or a night owl?

- Night owl

Do you have any pets?

- I have a Black Lab named after a famous Civil War General.

Personal Info

Filed under:Uncategorized — posted by Countertop on @ 1:10 pm

Sarah Hempel has another one of these great blogsphere time wasters on her site. What we really need Sarah is more sculting and art history. But, alas, I am going to jump into this abyss as well.

Spring Edition of “Getting to Know Your Friends:”

What time did you get up?

- 6:30 a.m. My son actually woke me at 5:30 a.m. and I picked him up and carried him into bed. Nothing in the worlds better than snoozing with a baby.

If you could eat lunch with one person, who would it be?

- Me wife or my son

Gold or Silver?

- Silver

What was the last film you saw at the cinema?

- Don’t remember. Lord of the Rings: Return of the King probably. We are going to go see Harry Potter when it comes out though!

What is your favorite TV show?

- I liked Frasier. I really like the Motorcycle show in discovery with the Orange County Chopper’s people. Other than that - I watch alot of movies on TMC, AMC, and fromt he rental store . . . and football in the fall.

What do you have for breakfast?

- Oatmeal. This morning it was hot, but I prefer it uncooked with whole milk

What would you hate to be stuck in a room with?

- nauseating smell

What/Who inspires you?

- my son, Al Gore (he inspires me to work harder to defeat all that is evil in the world)

What is your middle name?

- too much info - though if the oatmeal thing doesn’t give it away . . . Let me just say it was my uncles name.

Beach, city, or country?

- How about Mountains and Country.

Favorite Ice Cream?

- Pistacio

Butter, plain, or salted popcorn?

- Butter and salt

Favorite Color?

- Green

What kind of car do you drive?

- no car. I had a black 1999 Saab 9-3 SE and I sold it last night!!!!!!!!

Favorite Sandwich?

- Sarah likes Finger sandwiches at tea time - they are very good. But I like Ham and Cheese sub sandwhiches or tuna fish.

Favorite Flower?

- Hydranga (sp??)

If you could go anywhere in the world on a vacation, where would it be?

- New Zealand

What color is your bathroom?

- Light green

Favorite brand of clothing?

- don’t have one

Favorite place to retire?

- mountains in the country

Favorite day of the week?

- Saturday, get to spend it with my son.

What did you do for your last birthday?

- don’t remember. I think I went to dinner with my wife.

Where were you born?

- Montclaire NJ

Favorite sport to watch?

- football on TV baseball in person.

What fabric detergent do you use?

- Arm and Hammer

Coke or Pepsi?

- Dr. Pepper

Are you a morning person or a night owl?

- Night owl

Do you have any pets?

- I have a Black Lab named after a famous Civil War General.

Great New Blog Discovery

Filed under:Uncategorized — posted by Countertop on @ 11:15 am

Just discovered another great new blogThe Mud and the Blood and the Beer. I highly recommend a trip over there - especially to check out today’s post on Guns and Butter. Trust me, its a great story.

Kudo’s to The-Crease for the heads up.

Great New Blog Discovery

Filed under:Uncategorized — posted by Countertop on @ 11:15 am

Just discovered another great new blogThe Mud and the Blood and the Beer. I highly recommend a trip over there - especially to check out today’s post on Guns and Butter. Trust me, its a great story.

Kudo’s to The-Crease for the heads up.

The Day After Tomorrow Enviro’s will destroy our economy.

Filed under:Uncategorized — posted by Countertop on @ 7:00 am

With the ridiculous Day After Tomorrow movie coming out this weekend, and John McCain certain to renew his efforts to cripple the American economy by imposing drastic caps on carbon dioxide emissions, I thought I would take the time to remind everyone that the McCain - Lieberman Climate Stewardship Act is nothing more than the Kyoto Protocol (which the Senate soundly rejected a few years ago) in a See Through Negligee (thanks to Sen. Inhofe’s staff for that line!)

IN a ridiculous editorial today, The New York Times discusses how the Day After Tomorrow is a big dumb summer blockbuster but should nevertheless be praised for drawing attention to the one issue it thinks might lead to Kerry’s defeat of George W. Bush.

But the special effects are terrific, and the timing couldn’t be better. Scientists, environmentalists and a few lonely politicians have been trying without great success to get the public and the Bush administration to take global warming seriously, and to inject the issue into a presidential campaign that so far seems determined to ignore it.

According to the New York Times, the movie is so important on this note, that even a venerable institution like the American Museum for Natural History in Manhattan offered to host the premier in the Hall of Biodiversity. Yep, that’s right, the Hall of Biodiversity. Biodiversity, for those untrained in the liberal ways is a favorite of the moonbats – incorporating both Diversity (except where it includes things they don’t like, such as conservatives and unborn white children) and Bio (the term for all things living, life, and nature – except for little babies, especially the unborn kind).

Now, for what its worth – I grew up outside of New York in the North Jersey Suburbs. This was always my favorite museum and we would routinely go multiple times each year, both with my family and on school trips. I think I know about the hall they are discussing – with the great whale in it – but it was never, ever, ever called the Hall of Biodiversity. Chalk up another great institution lost to the moonbats.

In any event, the purpose of the New York Times editorial is not simply to attack Bush or promote the movie or the Hall of Biodiversity, but also to promote Senator John McCain’s latest attack on the U.S. economy. First he outlawed free speech and now, along with Joe Lieberman and John Fuckface Fonda Kerry, he is going to try to outlaw automobiles – or at least impose an immediate $0.55 tax on the price of gas.

Senator John McCain is among the believers, expressing the hope that the film may win a few more votes for a bill he’s co-sponsoring with Senator Joseph Lieberman. That bill would slowly begin to reduce industrial carbon-dioxide emissions, which are a huge part of the problem. Despite its over-the-top story, the film does leave you with the unnerving feeling that the natural world deserves far more respect than we and our leaders are giving it. “We’ll take all the help we can get,” said Mr. McCain, who got 43 votes for his bill the last time around. He plans to bring it back to the Senate floor before Congress’s July 4 recess.

Yes, as the New York Times (not the most credible paper anymore, ya know) points out, the McCain Lieberman Anti Economic Bill “slowly reduces carbon dioxide emissions.” This is all part of the big lie these moonbats are pushing. The other half of it is that this bill is somehow different than Kyoto and corrects that flawed documents mistakes.

Well then, lets look at these bills in more detail:

These are the gases each covers:

Kyoto

  • Carbon Dioxide;
  • methane;
  • nitrous oxide;
  • hydrofluorocarbons;
  • perfluorocarbons; and
  • hexafluoride.
  • McCain Lieberman

  • Carbon Dioxide;
  • methane;
  • nitrous oxide;
  • hydrofluorocarbons;
  • perfluorocarbons; and
  • hexafluoride.
  • They both impose emissions caps.

    Kyoto caps emissions at 1990 levels.

    McCain Lieberman caps emissions first at 2000 levels, then ratchets them down to 1990 levels, then provides for further ratcheting down. Beyond 1990 levels.

    Under Kyoto the first commitment period for emission reductions is between 2008-2012.

    Under McCain Lieberman, reductions occur first in 2010 and then in 2016.

    They both allow emissions trading, mandatory emissions reporting, carbon sequestration and development of carbon sinks, verification, and future ratcheting of emissions.

    Perhaps most importantly, they are both tarted at the U.S. Economy and neither imposes any restrictions on the activities of rapidly developing nations like China or India, both of whom are set to surpass U.S. Carbon emissions shortly and already far exceed U.S. emissions of almost all other pollutants, including mercury. In fact, most of the anthropogenic mercury that is deposited in the U.S. originates in China, not in U.S. power plants or factories . . . but don’t expect John Fuckface Fonda Kerry or his comrades in the environmental scaremonger industry to let you know that.

    Anyway, Joe Lieberman, John McCain and the NRDC greenie enviro’s keep telling us their bill is different than Kyoto and should be passed.

    Well, can someone explain what the difference is to me??

    This was originally posted in a different form yesterday, but because of problems with a table I attached I have reformulated the post.


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